Attention! Attention! Ð
Dada Gavand
An
interview with Dada Gavand by Suma Varughese
In his simple, serene way, Dada Gavand
teaches to the world that watchful, attentive
awareness alone can set the mind free
Sage-philosopher Dada Gavand has a
stark and simple philosophy. Watch the
patterns of your mind attentively and with
awareness. That is all you need to reclaim
your heritage of lasting peace and bliss.
So this was his paradise-a clearing in
the Yeor Hills on the outskirts of hot and
dusty Thane, near Mumbai. A few houses stand
gracefully, and at ease, among the trees and
the underfoot growth. Birdsong rippled through
the air. Hens were scrabbling in the mud, as
their chicks huddled under their wings. A few
feet away, a black and white kitten, its tail
curving in sheer joy of life, pretended to
pounce on the hens, who pecked on,
unperturbed. A young girl stood in an
overgrown yard watching life go by. All was
peaceful, simple, natural.
So was the picture book house we
stopped at-a narrow two-storey building with
sloping tiled roofs. White doves clustered
around the gables, and swooped down to drink
from the water-holder. Guava and other trees
grew robustly in neat round concrete-lined
beds. A sunshade with chairs was placed
invitingly on one side of the garden. As we
stood there and breathed in the visceral peace
of the place, we had a precursor of the
personality of the owner of the house.
The man who warmly welcomed us was not
young. Eighty-five or thereabouts, he was lean
and spry, with an alert, lively face, honed to
its essence. His movements were fluid and
quick and when he sat cross-legged as we
talked, his torso was erect and still. He
radiated a friendliness and an acceptance that
put us at ease instantly. There were no
trappings of conventional religion. No
pictures of deities or saffron robes or agarbatti.
No offerings of flowers and fruits. No
genuflection either. He addressed us as
matter-of-factly as a tutor would his
students.
Dada Gavand is not an advocate of
conventional religion, or of any of the tried
and tested paths to enlightenment. His
prescription is simple: attentive watchful
awareness of the patterns of thought. This act
alone is enough to vaporize the thoughts and
set you free from the burden of the mind. If
this is strikingly close to J. KrishnamurtiÔs
philosophy, it is not without reason. He spent
some time with Krishnamurti before he moved on
to forge his own inner journey.
Born in 1917 in Mumbai as Dattaram
Madhavrao Gavand, his spiritual quest unfolded
early. Though born in comfortable
surroundings, he chafed at the convention and
hypocrisy of society, and the dehumanizing
impact of materialism. But he was the eldest
and, on his fatherÔs untimely death, had to
assume the responsibilities of taking care of
his siblings, which included arranging for
their marriages. On the third day of the
marriage of the youngest sibling, Dada, as he
was universally known, disappeared from home
to seek his spiritual destiny. After eight
months of solitary seeking and questioning at
Mount Sajjangad, he experienced a mystical
explosion in his inner domain, a sudden flow
of timeless energy within, and a state of
peace and ecstasy never known before.
After this, he stayed in semi-solitude
for 14 years on Mount Mahabaleshwar. Since
1975, Dada has been sharing his understanding
by extensive travel and lectures in the USA,
Canada, Europe and of course India. Compiling
his experiences and thoughts is his book Beyond
the Mind that
is about the deeper significance of living.
Written in dialogic form, the book tries to
answer ideas of liberation, sexuality,
healing, imprisonment, expression etc. He has
also held numerous meditation camps called
Exploration into Oneself, but today he prefers
to work with small groups and individuals in
order to communicate on a personal level.
Where he was once a keen sportsman and freedom
fighter, he now writes poetry, excels in
photography, and campaigns for freedom of the
inner kind.
Excerpts from an intense interview:
What are the main tenets of your
philosophy?
I donÔt have a set philosophy. Whatever
I say is the outcome of the present moment.
Besides, I donÔt trust words. The mind uses
them, as it does everything else, to escape
from the hard task of changing itself. The
basic challenge of man is to discover that
quality which is hidden within us and allow it
to express itself. But this is difficult
because of the blocks the mind sets up, such
as the pre-occupation with things, even with
reading spiritual literature.
What is the way to overcome these
blocks?
There is no set answer. What is the
hindrance blocking that quality? We need to be
attentive to that block and thatÔs the main
challenge. Yogis and saints have found out
several ways and techniques, but all are used
by the mind to keep it busy. I believe only
watchful awareness will set us free.
But can this approach work for all?
Why not? The conditioning of the mind
is the same.
It is believed that different paths
appeal to different temperaments.
By creating different paths we are
creating separation and divisiveness.
Conflicts arise because each thinks his path
is the best.
What have been the significant
events of your own spiritual journey?
I listened to masters, even read a few
books. But I found that this was my own
journey. Nobody can help. What is required is
watchful, attentive awareness. ItÔs a journey
into the inner self, thatÔs all. But we
hesitate, and the mind is extroverted. It
hesitates to take a turn, to enter within. The
whole riches of the world, all the virtues,
are basically inside. On the outside there is
only the concept of virtues. Try to watch
these concepts. The mind can never be virtuous
or divine. All that is inside.
Can meditation help move the mind
within?
Meditation is the fallout of
attention-watchful attention. ItÔs not a
spiritual act. Meditation to me itÔs only a
search into oneself, to dispel the patterns of
thoughts, to enter the tranquility within.
Can the pursuit of this tranquility
be balanced with the demands of a
householderÔs life?
Oh, yes. We all need the basics of life
for survival. But be balanced. Do not create
more wants. We collect more and more of
everything, including books. This last is
intellectual greed. The mind becomes greedy
for knowledge. This is the burden of
intellect.
How do you get the mind to let go of
this obsession with things?
Look at the world at large. What is so
great about it? We never have the time to look
at it quietly, independently. What we see is
just the continuity of life. To me life is a
discovery. We have to find that dynamism,
energy.
What is the state of one who has
reached inner tranquility?
Abundant peace and contentment. And
whenever there is a challenge, there is a
response, a creative response that does not
resort to memory.
Looking at the world today, what do
you think lies ahead for mankind?
The world was always like this. There
is not much difference. Krishna, Ram, Buddha
came and society digested them all, but it
remains the same.
What do you think of the belief in a
new age, when society as a whole will be
transformed?
Only a human being can achieve
enlightenment, not mankind. Only he who is
honest, sensible, sensitive, and sincere can
hope to achieve this state. And there are very
few of such.
So thereÔs no likelihood that
mankind will attain lasting peace?
Man has always hoped for this. But it
depends on each of us. The reality is that we
can transform only ourselves. Nature wants man
to transform, to become like it. To come back
to the natural state is fulfillment. To
become free of all obsessions-that is
enlightenment.
Does being with nature provide a way
within?
Become aware of nature. Become
sensitive to it. An intellectual appreciation
of it is not enough. We have worshipped the
intellect too much. Now we have reached a dead
end. The intellect has really obliged us. It
has given us so much. But if we want to move
further, this intellect is not going to
oblige. Its function is over. The mind is
secondhand activity, which is born of memory.
People have spent so many years in searching
for enlightenment. Is so much time necessary?
That which is past is over. We avoid freshness
of the moment by indulging in the past.
What was your own search like?
I came from a business family. We were
fairly rich. But from an early age I was aware
of the absurdity of the life we led. Everyone
was copying everyone else. We were made by our
surroundings-traditions, culture, family
background, media. I saw that I was the result
of environmental influences, nothing else. I
saw people enslaved by social conditioning
till the end of their lives. I wondered if
another way of life was possible. A mighty
intelligence had created the universe and here
I was, living like a robot. I wondered if
there was a deeper significance to life. At
this stage, I visited many ashrams. I went to
the Aurobindo ashram, I met Ramana Maharshi
and Krishmanurti. I was with Krishnamurti for
a while and then I told him that I no longer
wanted to read his words or anyoneÔs words. I
wanted to discover for myself. And do you know
what he said? He said: ÔÔI am so glad.Ó At
these ashrams, I saw good people, happy,
contented. What was that state of mind, to be
contented? I soon came to know that no one
could give me the answers. I had to discover
them for myself. This whole outer is the
manifestation of the mind. But there had to be
something intrinsic. Where did that lie? I
wondered about the energy that emerged from
us, creating desires. We were using that
energy for trivial reasons, merely dancing at
the periphery of life. We need to ponder about
these questions independently. Pondering is a
sensitive activity. To look without ideas and
opinions and without thought. Is it possible?
And generally, there is no time for that.
Thought activity is so strong.
When did you find answers to your
questions?
ThereÔs a kind of breakthrough when the
situation is right. It is not in our hands. It
is a great blessing of nature. He who aspires
will be helped by nature. But we must have
that strong passion. Our passions are smaller.
Born out of other things.
Is there God?
There is another dimension, which is
divine, timeless. ItÔs an energy. A very
intelligent energy. To discover that is the
touch of the divine. ÔGodÕ is a misused term.
The mind creates concepts and goes after that.
Thought is the barrier between you and the
divine. Understand the designs of thought and
be aware of them. And then you will dispel the
thought patterns. That is important.
What is the relationship between
spirituality and creativity? You, for
instance, have created copious poetry.
Creation happens in the sensitivity of
understanding. After that you are changed. You
become highly sensitive. I never wrote poetry.
It just came out of me. Suddenly a door had
opened from within.
Post enlightenment, what is your
role in life?
I have to live life. I donÔt have my
own drives and ambitions. I have to live like
a simple, humble entity.
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